I took a cruise once and can think of only a few things worse than being quarantined in a cabin without fresh air with or without other people, for several weeks. The stress/anxiety, lack of exercise, perhaps running out of medications, and who knows the fear mongering they were being told.
Something was killing people in certain places but not my hospital (midwest during year 2020). Our hospital was almost empty. Of-course germs don't stop at state lines so I consider flu shots given the winter of 2019/2020 (spiked), food contamination, or deliberate poisoning. I spoke to a nurse who worked in a hospital NJ and she confirmed the elderly with "Covid" were being given overdoses of morphine to clear the beds.
In the early days I spoke to a friend on the phone and it was the DP data that allowed me to do a quick back of the envelope calculation to calm her down and show her it was not as bad as it seemed.
There are many issues with this analysis. The most important is that you dd not familiarize yourself with the meaning of the PCR detection of RNA viruses in the nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs. CDC EPIC studies https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26172429/ clearly state that detection of viruses in these swabs is meaningless. I remember from my discussions at the CDC at the early stages of the EPIC project that everybody understood that the nasal passages are the best air filter on the planet, allowing us to navigate the ocean of billion viruses that we live in. Finding one virus, or rather it's part in the nasal passage is, as I pointed above, meaningless.
The whole story of the pandemic was how to kill people with an Influenza-Like Illness and blame it on a benign virus. This was needed to mandate a useless and dangerous vaccine. Please contact me on Twitter if you need more info.
If this was indeed about health, the Diamond Princess experience should have ended this before it began. This virus was never deadly enough enough to shut down the world and lock up people. Apart from the clear scientific evidence showing that the decisions taken by those in authority were wrong scientifically, it was morally wrong.
Ioannidis looked at the Diamond Princess as a case study very early on, noting it probably indicated that everyone was overreacting. Too few paid attention.
PANDA was one of the very first groups to supply solid data supporting my strong suspicion that the narrative was a lie. I remember watching PANDA's first big presentation feeling so relieved to discover that there were highly capable people on the other side of the globe pushing back. It inspired me, gave me a certain amount of strength to know that dissidents like me in the US were not alone. This detailed report comparing the Diamond Princess to NYC is exactly the sort of information needed to dispel the lies and deprogram the masses. I can not thank you enough
There are countless cases of "norovirus" outbreaks on cruise ships. In fact, it's kind of a running joke for those who have been on a cruise. My thought is this: 14 people dying within 6 months of being on a cruise ship still seems high. I realize the argument is that these people were old, unhealthy and/or frail. But if cruise ships had a 2.5% CFR within six months (for all acquired diseases onboard), my hunch is that old people would probably stop taking them. So I guess my question is this: what is the cruise fatality rate generally and was the DP cruise fatality rate considerably higher than both the median and the high average? If the DP was truly an outlier here, then you can see how this would/could trigger an uproar.
This is good work you have done. Good job on this. It's welll put together and comprehensive, and still very accessible to the average non-scientist.
That's saying something, because I performed a similar analysis that is in much disagreement with yours, though we both agree COVID wasn't "that" dangerous, and was certainly not dangerous enough to kill 10's of thousands inside of New York City:
I took a cruise once and can think of only a few things worse than being quarantined in a cabin without fresh air with or without other people, for several weeks. The stress/anxiety, lack of exercise, perhaps running out of medications, and who knows the fear mongering they were being told.
Something was killing people in certain places but not my hospital (midwest during year 2020). Our hospital was almost empty. Of-course germs don't stop at state lines so I consider flu shots given the winter of 2019/2020 (spiked), food contamination, or deliberate poisoning. I spoke to a nurse who worked in a hospital NJ and she confirmed the elderly with "Covid" were being given overdoses of morphine to clear the beds.
Very well put together article. Thank you so much.
Midazolam, morphine, remdesivir then ventilators. No-one could survive that. A positive "test" was a death sentence.
In the early days I spoke to a friend on the phone and it was the DP data that allowed me to do a quick back of the envelope calculation to calm her down and show her it was not as bad as it seemed.
Lets not forget the Ruby Princess in Australia where the data were similar.March 2020.
The media here are too stupid t actually look at the mortality figures.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/12/covid-outbreak-on-ruby-princess-not-an-accident-and-cruise-should-never-have-sailed-court-told
There are many issues with this analysis. The most important is that you dd not familiarize yourself with the meaning of the PCR detection of RNA viruses in the nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs. CDC EPIC studies https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26172429/ clearly state that detection of viruses in these swabs is meaningless. I remember from my discussions at the CDC at the early stages of the EPIC project that everybody understood that the nasal passages are the best air filter on the planet, allowing us to navigate the ocean of billion viruses that we live in. Finding one virus, or rather it's part in the nasal passage is, as I pointed above, meaningless.
The whole story of the pandemic was how to kill people with an Influenza-Like Illness and blame it on a benign virus. This was needed to mandate a useless and dangerous vaccine. Please contact me on Twitter if you need more info.
If this was indeed about health, the Diamond Princess experience should have ended this before it began. This virus was never deadly enough enough to shut down the world and lock up people. Apart from the clear scientific evidence showing that the decisions taken by those in authority were wrong scientifically, it was morally wrong.
Ioannidis looked at the Diamond Princess as a case study very early on, noting it probably indicated that everyone was overreacting. Too few paid attention.
What a revealing analysis, thank you.
This article has been permanently archived at http://archive.today/Q4RfE.
Or,
http://archive.today/2023.05.17-041436/https://pandauncut.substack.com/p/what-the-diamond-princess-tells-us
PANDA was one of the very first groups to supply solid data supporting my strong suspicion that the narrative was a lie. I remember watching PANDA's first big presentation feeling so relieved to discover that there were highly capable people on the other side of the globe pushing back. It inspired me, gave me a certain amount of strength to know that dissidents like me in the US were not alone. This detailed report comparing the Diamond Princess to NYC is exactly the sort of information needed to dispel the lies and deprogram the masses. I can not thank you enough
There are countless cases of "norovirus" outbreaks on cruise ships. In fact, it's kind of a running joke for those who have been on a cruise. My thought is this: 14 people dying within 6 months of being on a cruise ship still seems high. I realize the argument is that these people were old, unhealthy and/or frail. But if cruise ships had a 2.5% CFR within six months (for all acquired diseases onboard), my hunch is that old people would probably stop taking them. So I guess my question is this: what is the cruise fatality rate generally and was the DP cruise fatality rate considerably higher than both the median and the high average? If the DP was truly an outlier here, then you can see how this would/could trigger an uproar.
Excellent work, Todd. I remain shocked that Diamond Princess was so successfully ignored by the narrative-promoters.
This is good work you have done. Good job on this. It's welll put together and comprehensive, and still very accessible to the average non-scientist.
That's saying something, because I performed a similar analysis that is in much disagreement with yours, though we both agree COVID wasn't "that" dangerous, and was certainly not dangerous enough to kill 10's of thousands inside of New York City:
https://deepd1ve.substack.com/p/that-first-natural-experiment-of
Nice analysis and discussion, solid yet modest conclusions., Sets the stage for what should be a more radical NYC denouement. Thank you.
And yet, they will continue to ignore the evidence and denigrate those that highlight it. And, the masses won't bat an eyelid.
Excellent article. Thank you very much!