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Katy Marriott's avatar

Ah, Nick. Thank you for having been, and continuing to be, the cool, calm voice of reason. (Well, in public at least 😉).

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Jessica Hockett's avatar

Brilliantly done, Nick.

One set of comments on the comparison of VAERS reports for flu shot versus the COVID shot (and these are in no way a criticism of Ms. Rose's analysis).

I humbly submit that many averse events begotten of the flu shot would not have been viewed or "detected" as such, let alone subsequently reported to VAERS, unless they occurred fairly soon after the injection was administered. The COVID shot, by contrast, is highly likely for people to associate with all manner of adverse health consequences.

At least in the U.S., the flu shot has long enjoyed a remarkably "cushy" situation.

--Uptake is fairly high (and least from a profitability angle);

--There is a base of captive recipients (children, many nursing home residents, healthcare workers in which the flu shot is mandated and/or highly coerced);

--The formulation changes every year, with little real scrutiny from the general populace

--People regard efficacy as hit or miss and the formulators having simply guessed the right/wrong seasonal strain(s).

--"Not working" is equated with "getting flu anyway," as though there is strong evidence that pathogens quite literally circulate in the air, so to speak, and/or "spread" at especially high levels during the winter months, when testing is high.

--Doctors don't associate ILI as a consequence of the flu shot (i.e., being immunosuppressive)

Instead of believing mythology about lab-leaked pathogens racing from a single point to locations around the world (which I know you don't subscribe to, Nick), more attention should be paid to the annual direct mechanism that was already at work -- and which isn't much different from the COVID shot racket in implementation.

This sequence can't be ignored:

2017 flu shot, followed by a very bad "flu season"

2018 flu shot, followed by a (suspiciously) not-bad flu season

2019 flu shot, followed by reports of a bad flu season, which turned into Operation COVID in early 2020 and saw positive flu tests disappear from the surveillance radar

2020 flu shot, which followed the spring 2020 mass casualty events and "miraculously" kept positive flu tests (but not positive SARS-CoV-2 tests) at bay and preceded the COVID shot

2021 flu shot, which followed the COVID shot and was attended by preceding and subsequent boosters

Etc, etc

All that to say, though I don't necessarily challenge the good work and research people have done on mortality and averse events associated with the COVID shot, I don't see how it can be divorced from that "other" shot being in the mix. (We also have the shingles shot in there...which in another ball of wax altogether.)

P.S. Speaking of actuaries, I observed a note in the 2020 SOA report about attribution of cause of death in recent years toward Alzheimer's and away from other causes of death. See figure 17, page 22 https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/setting-the-stage-for-flus-disappearing

This inspired me to ask an SOA member who was involved with the report for Alzheimer's and P&I on the same graph. https://x.com/Wood_House76/status/1485977397665095685?s=20 Fascinating, yes?

Figure 11 in this flu post of mine also highlights the inverse relationship, in the context of COD attribution and competing incentives in both directions. https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/setting-the-stage-for-flus-disappearing

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